Are you on a H-1B Visa or E-3 Visa and now Laid Off?

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I wrote earlier in February about this very issue and the main ideas I had to help you find new employment so the posts I recommend reading are;

- Laid Off on an E-3 or H-1B Visa where I talk about the situation and idea where you can get your current employer to help and also an option in Canada
- Extending, Renewing or Changing Employers on your E-3 Visa this is also  helpul to H-1B holders or applicants as the process is very similar
- Information about the Top 100 Companies that sponsored H-1B visas last year where we discuss how this may help you and the genesis of the list which we made FREE for you
- The Top 200 List of US Visa Employers Last Year is a raw list of the companies that is beneficial to E-3 visa applicants as much as H-1B and even J-1.

Now I have received a lot of emails in recent times about;
How long people have?
How can they extend their time to look for a job?
Is the transfer process easy and not too costly?
Can you transfer to B1/B2 status to allow you more time to find a position?
Do I have access to any unemployment benefits since I pay Social Security/Payroll/FICA Taxes?
Can I work while the transfer process is underway?

I will try and document the answers to these questions briefly on one page, although a lot of these answers are in more detail elsewhere in the blog in other posts and you can go the All Posts List which documents all entries and visa information by title.

1. How long do I have?
Technically you only have 10 days to find a new employer once your current employer notifies USCIS of your termination date. We explain in the above post more fully how you can ask you employer to delay this notification to give you more time.

2. How can you extend your time to find a job?
Will this really follows on from question 1, so the delay in notification is one option. Leaving and re-entering the US on the visa-waiver program is another option. Transferring to a B1/B2 visa or even another category (although you have to meet their individual requirements) can also potentially extend your time.

3. Is the transfer process easy and not too costly?
It certainly could be easier, I mention in the above linked post the entire process and forms involved. Eassentially it involves getting a new LCA form and a filing form for transfer of employer to USCIS which I think costs around $300 although this constantly changes. It can be relatively straightforward in what you do but it can be a long process.
Of course if travel is involed if you plan to get a new visa outside the country this of course will amplify costs.

4. Can you transfer to B1/B2 status to allow you more time to find an employer?
You certainly can trasnfer to B1/B2 if you do this application to USCIS. Visapro states USCIS officers have been allowed to exercise their discretion to grant you another nonimmigrant status, if you apply for change of status within 10 days after you are laid off.

5. Do you have access to any unemployment benefits as you pay Social Security taxes?
No you don’t in any shape or form if you are on any non-immigrant visa. Yes this is completely unfair given you are forced to pay these taxes just like a US worker but you have no claim to any benefits.

6. Can I work while the transfer process is underway?
For H-1B visa holders you can given the application has been filed and you have your approved LCA from the Department of Labor. However your transfer application could still be denied potentially by the USCIS.

For E-3 visa holders the answer is a little more strange as it is largely undocumented. So some USCIS officers will say the rules are the same as H-1B as they are for most other things when not fully documented as seems to be the general direction of the visa. However other officers say this is not the case and you have to wait for your transfer. This combined with the transfer visa application cost has caused many of E-3 to just go to Canada and apply for a new visa with their new employer instead.

Good luck if this is your predicament…I wish you all the best :)

CJ

**look I should say again I am not a lawyer but I answer these questions to the best of my ability having gone through the visa process many times and having shared experiences with many others so I want to save you guys as much money as I can with potential legal costs. Some of the policies change a lot and I try to keep us as much as I can but I do miss a few changes.

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  1. Skullz  •  Jun 30, 2009 @6:05 am

    This website is a great resource.

    I was fired on Friday and I have 10 days. I want to go to Mexico for a day and then come back on the Visa Waiver. Will this work? Don’t you need proof that you are leaving the country (a flight ticket home?). I want to stay in Los Angeles for the summer and look for jobs. Is this considered Dual Intent since I am looking for jobs in the US while on a holiday visa? Are there any reasons why I might be denied entry back into the US at the border?

    Also, I thought E3 visas could NOT be transferred to another employer… I thought on the E3 you ALWAYS had to leave the country to get a new visa issued (and the old one stamped out)… That is what happened to me…

  2. admin  •  Jun 30, 2009 @8:53 pm

    Hi Skullz,

    I am sorry to hear about your setback and hope this website does help you a little on your search.

    You can transfer employers on the E-3 visa but it is a slightly more complicated process than the H-1B visa mainly because of the less guidelines around it compared to the H-1B visa. So what invariably happens is that people find it simpler and quicker just to get a new E-3 visa. Here is a post on transferring employers on the E-3 visa; http://e3visa.info/2009/03/02/extending-renewing-or-changing-employers-on-your-e3-visa/
    (you have to be in status of course for this to work)

    To be honest if time allows I would more recommend you transferring to the B-2 tourist visa and searching for a new employer. As you are not leaving the North American continent, if you return to the US from Mexico for example on the Visa Waiver Program you could be asked questions on the border entry as to why you are returning so soon on a different status. And of course now if you are on VWP you have to register as well prior to coming (http://e3visa.info/2009/03/20/whats-the-deal-with-esta-visa-waiver-travelers-listen-up/).

    The idea of needing a flight back home again is not a set in stone enforced regulation but it can come into play if an assessing officer decides it does.

    Look many people come to the US on the Visa Waiver Program and use the 90 days to successfully find work, leave the country briefly and get their visa and return to the US with no issue. You just have the added earlier part of already being employed in the US in front of this process. There is certainly no regulation against what you are doing but in the end it is up to the people at the border to decide.

    In my experience it is rare to hear of people turned away at the border if they have Visa approval or this new ESTA approval for tourists but you just bare everything in mind.

    Good Luck,
    CJ

  3. Skullz  •  Jul 1, 2009 @10:05 pm

    Do you think it would be safer for me to go through VisaPro and change my status instead of crossing the border and risking not getting back into the country?

    Is VisaPro the cheapest way to do a change of status? Is it a good, trustworthy service? Is there a cheaper way to do it, such as filling out the forms myself? It costs $595 but says it only takes 2 business days to process on the site.

    I was fired 5 days ago so I should probably get onto this soon.

  4. admin  •  Jul 2, 2009 @8:26 am

    Hi Skullz,
    Look that is certainly an option to go through them. VisaPro although I have no direct experience or direct feedback about them (if you do use them please come back and let us all know what you think), they seem very good judging by their site information and if I am not mistaken you have a pre-online chat with them.
    Sadly it is a more costly route in some ways but it may be the best for you right at this point in terms of total piece of mind and yes get on it soon!!
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  5. ozinus  •  Aug 19, 2009 @9:31 pm

    I have a question.
    In case of being laid off and you manage to get your employer to agree on delaying notification to USCIS. Wouldn’t renewing/transferring E-3 be a problem because you won’t have the pay stubs to show that you were being paid up to the visa transfer point.

  6. admin  •  Aug 19, 2009 @10:46 pm

    Hi Ozinus,
    Yes that is true but when employers also state that you were on long term unpaid leave or even pay a small stipend to overcome that hurdle. It is certainly not an ideal situation but one many face in the current climate.
    CJ

  7. Andrew  •  Dec 9, 2009 @5:49 pm

    Hi CJ,

    First let me thank you again for this site and your helpful answers. I wrote a few questions a few couple weeks back on the proper green card forms for my wife who is currently here on an E3 visa. Currently they have been received by USCIS and all cases are under initial review and Biometrics was completed just this past Thursday. Things are on its way – but things are never simple!!!

    The first hurdle is that we are planning to go on a honeymoon and visit her parents back in Oz leaving the 13th of January. I have applied for her ‘Advanced Parole’ and included a copy of our plane tickets with the application, but I am worried that we will not have the physical documentation in time. And if we leave the country without the approved Advanced Parole documents, I have read that she forfeits the current application to adjust status. Is there any way I can expedite this process?

    The second hurdle, is more related to the above topic of being laid off. There is a possibility that she will lose her employment due to health restrictions. How does this affect our current situation where our application is currently under review? If her company notifies USCIS that her term date is next week. Does this mean she has to get out of the country within 10 days? Is there anything I can do to keep her here legally until we plan to leave for our honeymoon?

    I guess with her going back to Oz early and I meet her there for our honeymoon isn’t too bad. But, then what would I have to do in order to (a) keep our place in line with the green card forms and (b) allow us to come back into the states together after our honeymoon?

    I think all of this can be resolved if I can get her Green Card application expedited, but I don’t know if this falls into their ‘special’ category.

    Thanks in advanced for any help you may be able to provide.

    ~Andrew

  8. e3visa  •  Dec 12, 2009 @3:10 pm

    Hi Andrew,
    Thanks for the kind words and for sharing your experiences for all to learn from here. It is much appreciated.
    There is unfortunately no way to speed up the USCIS or indeed any US Government organization involved with Immigration, unless you happen to know someone in a real position of power. So regarding your Advanced Parole for your wife, I hope they take it all on board and approve it on time because otherwise, yes, as you know if she leaves the country the whole green card process is most likely void barring a lot of lawyer costs and a lot of good luck.
    In regards to her being laid off, that is a grey area. Given you are already legally married and you have filed an application that is being processed and is currently pending already this should preclude her from needing to leave the US. Like I said it would be a grey area b/c as far as I am aware there is nothing document specifically about what you describe other than the general rule of when an adjustment of status is pending regarding this type of green card, someone should stay put within the country. For complete peace of mind on this point, legal people as much as I hate to say it maybe worth even just a one off consultation.
    In general though I would certainly wait until all her Green Card and Advanced Parole have been approved fully before letting her go anywhere b/c do not want the situation for you of her being stopped at the border upon on return after a great honeymoon.
    Good Luck and I hope you come back and share you story with us all.
    Thanks,
    CJ

  9. Andrew  •  Dec 28, 2009 @3:22 pm

    Hi – I just wanted to come back and share my story for others just in case anyone else is in a similar situation. My wife was laid off as of last week… Merry Christmas right? but anyway, she is receiving a few months worth of severance paid out through the period, so for those of you who are laid off with this type of package, the company usually won’t let USCIS know that you are no longer employed with them until after your severance is over.. Not sure how lump sum severance works though. So if you are in this scenario, that buys you time if you have to look for another job or change status to another Visa. This is not to say that this will work for all of you that are laid off. But as CJ mentioned above, it is a 10 day period before you have to leave the country if your employment is terminated. If you are immediately, laid off, you can request that HR doesn’t notify USCIS to buy you some more time if you need. Keep in mind not all are willing to do this since you are technically under their sponsorship. But if you have a good relationship with your boss and/or HR, they can work with you.

    I also have an update on my AP query which I will post in that section of the website in case anyone has questions.

  10. e3visa  •  Jan 2, 2010 @10:56 pm

    Hi Andrew,
    Thanks for coming back and sharing your story and experience again even though it is obviously still a tough time as your wife has found. What you describe is certainly a positive experience that many others were also able to organize following a lay off with an understanding employer as to allow them to find work.
    We will look forward to your future update.
    Happy New Year,
    CJ

  11. Maxwell  •  Aug 20, 2010 @9:23 pm

    Just wondering how Skultz got on, i.e. did he go to Mexico and did he get back ok?

    I have been laid off and wanted to leave the USA and return within the 10 period. I have a one way ticket to Australia that I can produce (dated to fly out on the 10th day) as evidence that I can show that I am leaving permanently when I come back from my brief trip away. So does the 10 day rule mean that you still have the same exit and entry rights in that period as you do when you were employed?

  12. joe  •  Oct 28, 2010 @6:02 pm

    hello, i am an australian citizen but am currently stranded in the uk waiting for my E3 to arrive (actually im enlish but lived in oz for many many years). i desperately need to go to NY to try and find somewhere to live, attend a conference and have a couple of client meetings. there are 2 parts to my question (a) am i allowed to enter the US on an ESTA whilst waiting for my E3 to come through (using my british passport, not my Australian one which is still back in sydney) and (b) am i in anyway jeopardizing my E3 application by entering the US early?

    thanks in advance for your guidance,

    joe

  13. e3visa  •  Nov 21, 2010 @1:49 pm

    Hi Maxwell,
    If your visa is expired then you can’t reenter on that visa.
    Cj

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