Do I Need A Lawyer For My E3 Visa Process?

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To continue my series as to whether you need a lawyer for your US visa process I will now focus on the E3 Visa.

The Process

I will let you be the judge firstly from how I will briefly describe the process, and then I will give you my own opinion.

In short once a company has agreed to sponsor you with a job offer, you have to file freely either electronically or by mail a form to the Department of Labor. This form is pretty simple to fill out and really just outlines the company, your role, your salary, etc. It is designed so that the Department of Labor determines that the company is legitimate, the job offer is legitimate and is within the visa parameters and also that you will be paid at minimum in accordance with the regulations. (this salry part needs to be the prevailing wage which is basically just at the least the same amount a US worker would get for doing the same job in the same city)

Once you have received this approved form, you can essentially take that, along with the ocmpany offer letter and your regular application forms to the US embassy or consulate for your interview. If there is a spouse or dependents involved they can fill out the relevant application forms as well to take to the consulate at this time.

Now in this process I described above do you think, an attorney was necessary?

You can probably gather from the tone of my language that I think an attorney is a waste of time and money.

The US Government even admit as much when they stated when this visa was conceived in 2005, that is was designed to be simple for both the employer and the applicant and without all the extra fees involved.

Look many companies will hire an attorney anyway as that is their policy. However if it is you who is dictating the process and whom has to make the decision then I would say unless you are completely incapable of anything like filling out a form and understanding basic language (which would make me wonder how you got your job offer in the first place) then say NO to lawyers.

Lawyers are expensive, even moreso in the US, and for something they could do in less than half a day’s work (similar work for you) will set you back at minimum $2,000 USD but probably more. I don’t know about you but I would rather keep that myself!

I will admit I did use a lawyer 2 years before I first got my E3 visa so I could understand the process and legal requirements around the US visa system better. However if there were resources on the Internet then I certainly wouldn’t have. Hey in your case you have this blog here for FREE to understand all that :)

In my case a lawyer was used by my company but that was completely their decision as I told them it wasn’t necessary and I know the lawyers (although very professional and friendly) found me slightly odd as they wanted to fill out my applications for me that I would take to the consulate. I said I would do that myself since it is easy to know my own name, address, past history, etc.

It was obvious that there was little legal stuff for them to do so they wanted to handle anything they could :)

Also to note the spousal and dependent applications, know as the E3D visa is very simple as it just depends on you having a valid E3 application

So again NO to lawyers for E3 if you are the one who are going to have to pay the lawyer’s bill!

The Counter Opinion

Many people will tell you that you do need an attorney for this process because of issues they have had mainly centered around 2 issues;

1. The nature of their job and their salary
2. The so called “no dual intent” part of the visa

With the first issue, yes there are many jobs that are not allowed but essentially I think many more are given the job you apply for must have a minimum criteria of requiring a bachelors degree. To note, this does not necessarily mean you need a bachelors degree as if you qualify as having enough practical work experience (and possibly other certifications) in this certain field that you can prove then you will be fine.

So this is a just a matter about having common sense and not putting down things like receptionist, janitorial, burger flipper in your application as job title and description. However the categories are so broad with business, finance, legal, marketing, medical, engineering, IT, Architecture, etc. that you could easily fit your job description under any one of those categories I am sure.

The salary part is just ensuring you are paid a decent wage (equivalent to what a US worker would get in the same situation in the same city). I am not sure why you would work for much less that what you deserve anyway but this again is just common sense for both you and the company to ensure they are not exploiting cheap foreign labor.

The second issue relates to the “no dual intent” aspect of the E3 visa which basically means that you should have ties to home and intend to return whenever your entire visa period is over. Now again you have to remember it is in law that this visa can be renewed/extended indefinitely and there is no limit to the amount of times you can apply for it. So already even though your status in the US will never be permanent, there is already a contradiction here unlike the H1B visa which states can only be renewed once for another 3 year period.

The second part to this is that additionally it states, the application or pending petition to any immigrant (thus permanent status) does not automatically disqualify you from having your visa extended, renewed or getting another one.

So say for example you are on a E3 visa and your company does sponsor you for a Green Card/Permanent Residency but that application is still pending and you need to re-apply or renew your current E3 Visa, you wont be automatically denied based on permanent residency application. Again this also seems to contradict the “no dual intent” condition.

I am aware of people who have done through the example above and are now on their Green Card.

So to sum up this second issue, if you have family in the US and no family in Australia and are applying for an E3 visa, don’t sell up your entire life in Australia (house, car, etc.), trasnfer all your money to the US and then tell your interview officer at the consulate about all this as what are they meant to think.

Of course never lie to your Interview officer as they will be aware of any family you have in the US from their checks but showing you have bank accounts with money here as well as explaining you have people ties and roots in the community should not be that hard.

There is nothing a lawyer can do for you about all this except explain this same thing to you and emphasize common sense to you in the interview as he/she can’t be there with you. Only difference being that a lawyer will charge you thousands of dollars for the pleasure!

I hope this helps answer your questions about the E3 Visa and Lawyers….

CJ

27 Comments

27 Comments

  1. Brendan  •  Jul 15, 2009 @9:47 pm

    Hi CJ

    What a great website – well done! Unfortunately I still have a couple of unanswered questions and I apologize if they have already been answered elsewhere on the site.

    Firstly, are there any restrictions on the E-3 visa in relation to contract work? e.g. contract finance roles with a bank, where I would be paid a ‘per-hour’ rate. I have searched the web extensively and cannot find any reference to this point… so I presume it is not an issue. The details required on Form ETA 9035 also seems to reflect this viewpoint.

    My second question relates to the application process itself, i.e. once I have a job offer. I understand that the employer is to lodge (electronically) the ETA 9035 with the Dept of Labor. What exactly do I need to do prior to making an appointment with the US Consulate? i.e. will the Department of Labor process the ETA 9035 and then post it back to the employer, and then I take a copy of this with me to the Consulate?

    Many thanks
    Brendan

  2. admin  •  Jul 20, 2009 @10:25 am

    Hi Brendon,
    Your contract work question is a bit of grey area as it depends what you means by contract work. If you will have a number of different people/companies paying your salary and you essentially actuing like an independent contractor or small business then that is NOT allowed. If you are just being paid an hourly wage and it is about the prevailing wage for the role and the region as specified by the DOL then you should be fine.
    As for your second question, you don’t need to do anything other than may your appointment with the system (online in Australia and Canada) of the US Consulate, Yes you just have to take a copy of the approved 9035 form called now the LCA along with the application forms and other required docs like photos, etc. and you are set.
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  3. Rob  •  Jul 27, 2009 @8:36 pm

    Hi CJ,

    I have paid the MRV in the australia post. when i fill up the ds 160 form online there was another application fee for $131,00 to be paid via scotia bank.

    Going to have the interview in Vancouver but am not sure about this $131.00 since I already paid $131.00 in australia which is non-migrant visa application fee. can you please tell me if this is the same fee?

    thanks

  4. admin  •  Aug 2, 2009 @1:41 pm

    Hi Rob,
    I apologize for the delay as I only just returned to the US now from overseas and am working my way through all the messages.
    Sorry as I understand what you did you paid the application fee in Australia but are doing your interview in Canada. This could be a problem as you are meant to pay in the country you do the interview in. Yes the two fees are the same and you probably better check with the consulate in Vancouver as they may not accept the fact you paid in Australia. Hopefully you don’t have to pay twice.
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  5. rob  •  Aug 12, 2009 @6:09 pm

    Hi CJ,

    Thanks, I got my E3 Visa yesterday Woot Woot!! going to pick up the passport thursday afternoon… your right about the non-migrant fee you pay the application fee in which country you do the interview which in my case in Canada Vancouver $131.00 payable to Scotia Bank.

    I paid the MRV in Australia post a couple of months ago, but I end travelling around North America and decided not to go back to Aust. for the interview and I don’t think i can get the refund from the post office …LOL

    Anyway, E3 Visa is very straight forward to get if you have all the proper documents i.e.
    LCA, Letter of Offer from the company and University evaluation.

    Here is the link for those still un-clear of what need to be done for E3 Visa… http://canberra.usembassy.gov/consular/visas/niv/e3.html

    Thanks again CJ for the reply….

    Rob

  6. admin  •  Aug 16, 2009 @12:39 pm

    Hi Rob,
    Congratulations and enjoy your life in the US :)
    Sorry about not being able to get a refund..but in the grand scheme of things you will be fine of course!
    CJ

  7. SM  •  Aug 17, 2009 @8:17 pm

    I’d just like to share my experience in applying for an E3 visa and wanted to know if anybody out there had the same problems; At my consulate interview I was asked for documents explaining the nature of my work and why it requires a bachelors degree- the position being a curator for an media arts organisation. I only had my job offer letter, so the officer kept my passport and suspended my visa under section 221g. A couple of days later I faxed through the missing documents (job contract, a letter from employer explaining the nature of my work and a job description) and my case is currently undergoing administrative processing. Three weeks later, I am still waiting for approval. I suggest to anyone attending an interview that they supply as much information about the position as possible, especially if it’s an arts job. Has anyone out there experienced the same thing, if so, how long did the ‘administrative processing’ take?
    SM

  8. AS  •  Oct 2, 2009 @1:31 am

    Hi CJ, love this website! It’s a great resource. Can you recommend the best process that one can take to move from an E3 to a Green Card with the lowest risk of rejection? I have been in the States for 9 years – started with an L1 visa then moved to the E3 in 2005 which I have now renewed for the 3rd time (2011 expiration). I have now decided to stay in the States as a Permanent Resident. I have been employed with the same company for all those 9 years and am currently the CTO and an integral part of this company. The company that I work for do not want to run the risk of a visa rejection and would support my application for Permanent Residency. I do not fit into the EB1/2/4/5 category for immigration. Any suggestions? How about concurrently also applying through the Diversity Lottery? Or does that jeapordize the standard application process?
    Thanks for your help with this
    AS

  9. e3visa  •  Oct 3, 2009 @11:29 pm

    Hi AS,
    Thanks for your enthusiastic support!
    You can definitely apply for Permanent Residency if on the E3 Visa and many people have done this successfully. Read this document if you have not already (http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/E3PolGdnc_121505.pdf) with the part near top of page 4 being most relevant where it states “An application for initial admission, change of status or extension of stay in E-3 classification, however, may not be denied solely on the basis of an approved request for permanent labor certification or a filed or approved immigrant visa preference petition.” So basically while the E3 visa is not a dual intent visa like the H1B visa, unlike say the F1 visa or J1 visa, it does not prohibit you from applying for Permanent Residency status from it and nor can a future E3 visa application be denied because of this ongoing petition.
    I would think given your Experience and the fact you are the CTO, that the EB3 category would seem suitable for you (http://e3visa.info/2009/04/14/how-to-apply-for-a-green-card-under-eb-3-eb-2-category-most-common-for-h-1b-and-e-3-visa-holders/).
    The Green Card Lottery is completely separate and does not effect anything with your current non-immigrant visa status so you may as well apply there not it is open again given it is free and you have nothing to lose.
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  10. Clare  •  Mar 24, 2010 @2:28 am

    Hi CJ,
    Wow I am so glad I found this site it is the best! I have a question about the LCA – does the employer have to fill this in and submit it or can the applicant? I’m heading to NYC in June hoping to get onto the E3 band wagon but want to make it as easy as possible for anyone clever enough to hire me!! Thanks so much, you’re a legend! Clare

  11. e3visa  •  Apr 12, 2010 @12:04 am

    Hi Clare,
    Thanks for the kind words. I mean in theory you can fill out the form on the employer’s behalf as it is not complicated apart from ensuring the job description sections and slary requirements meet the relevant standards. However it has to come from the employer and not from the employee applicant
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  12. NIck  •  May 3, 2010 @9:12 pm

    Hello CJ,

    Really impressed with your site and quality content all around!

    I was wondering, could you please provide (and possibly update the article?) the E3 online visa application URL please?

    Your suggestions and experience shared will surely arm me for a succesful interview :)

    Looking forward to hear from you.

    Cheers, Nick

  13. NIck  •  May 3, 2010 @9:16 pm

    http://canberra.usembassy.gov/consular/visas/niv/e3.html

    is a broken link. Just advising, forgot to mention in earlier comment. Cheers

    Nick

  14. NIck  •  May 3, 2010 @11:37 pm

    Hello again,

    A bit confused after reading all the comments :)

    In the 3rd paragraph of your post (“The Process” part), you mention bringing forms to the interview. Does that include the ETA 9035 form (priorly filled by employer)? Where does this form take a role in all this please?

    Also my BIG QUESTION is, what does the letter of offer specifically have to state, besies emphasizing the specialization that the skills are. Would that matter much since allthese skills woul be scanned in the main form process (which I cannot fin a link for :)

    Many thanks for your assistance. This is very helpful.

    Best,

    Nicolas Baron

  15. Jacqueline  •  May 4, 2010 @10:47 pm

    Howdi!
    Your website has been extremely helpful.
    I have a quick question- I was planning on going to Montreal to renew my visa but some told me you can’t renew an E3 in Canada or Mexico (they said you have to actually leave the country). Is this true?
    Also, does anyone know if Montreal offers passport pickups the day after your visa interview (assuming it is approved)?

    Thanks!

    Jacquie from New York

  16. e3visa  •  May 8, 2010 @3:23 pm

    Hi Nick,
    Thanks for the kind words but not sure what you are referring too. There is no online E3 visa application as such. There is the Department of Labor filing to get an approved LCA online and then the DS-160 form you file prior to your interview with the US Consulate. For detailed information on the US Consulate interview read this post; http://e3visa.info/2009/11/02/e3-visa-us-consulate-interview/
    Here is the main non-immigrant visa link for the US embassy in Australia; http://canberra.usembassy.gov/nonimmigrant-visas.html as well.
    The offer letter doesn’t have to say anything specific but the more details about the role the better as it never hurts to have more.
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  17. e3visa  •  May 8, 2010 @3:40 pm

    Hi Jacquie,
    Glad your are enjoying NYC and thanks for the kind words.
    Yes you can renew in Canada or Mexico as many have and the best way to find out if a particular US consulate allows pick ups is to pay those high phone rates and call them directly as this would be the best advice. In any case usually processing is 2 days and i day to mail express so not long anyway.
    Good Luck,
    CJ

  18. certified accountants  •  Oct 16, 2010 @7:16 pm

    Hi CJ, love this website! It’s a great resource. Can you recommend the best process that one can take to move from an E3 to a Green Card with the lowest risk of rejection? I have been in the States for 9 years – started with an L1 visa then moved to the E3 in 2005 which I have now renewed for the 3rd time (2011 expiration). I have now decided to stay in the States as a Permanent Resident. I have been employed with the same company for all those 9 years and am currently the CTO and an integral part of this company. The company that I work for do not want to run the risk of a visa rejection and would support my application for Permanent Residency. I do not fit into the EB1/2/4/5 category for immigration. Any suggestions? How about concurrently also applying through the Diversity Lottery? Or does that jeapordize the standard application process?
    Thanks for your help with this
    AS

  19. Jaqueline  •  Jan 17, 2011 @12:49 am

    Hi there,

    Thank you for all of this information. I was about to spend a lot on lawyers to get my E3 sorted.
    I have a question in regards providing reference letters as I have an Advanced diploma with 3 years of work experience in my field. I am wondering what the reference letter needs to say? Obviously my position, length of time I have had my position but does it need to say salary on there? I own my own business so it wouldn’t be for them to say, right?

  20. Meg  •  Jan 19, 2011 @12:34 am

    Hi,

    I’m in the US now looking for work in NYC and my husband (who is also Australian) is a permanent resident here. So i am in the process of obtaining a spouse visa through a US based attorney. Is this a barrier to getting the E3?

    Also my lawyer said the current wait time for an LCA to be approved was 2 months? is this correct?

    Thank you so much I’m having so much trouble wading through all the various info out there!

    -Meg

  21. Bhargav  •  Jan 23, 2011 @1:27 am

    Dear CJ

    It was great to see ur website and the infroamtion you have provided is excellent. Although I would like to know a couple a things regarding the E3 visa. I am Australian Citizen and an enginner by profession. Unforutnelt I do not hold any house or car in Australia but am a Canadian resident and my wife is in Canada.Is that enough fo the visa and i have got a house and other investment in Canada?
    It would be nice if you could guide me in this direction.
    thanks
    Bhargav

  22. e3visa  •  Feb 6, 2011 @4:53 am

    Hi Jacqueline,
    No it doesn’t need to mention your salary in reference letters. You can’t own your business on the E3 visa for work in the US but if you are talking about that being your past experience then yes that is applicable. Your biggest issues will be the lack of a bachelors degree and whether the Advanced Diploma plus your 3 yrs of experience will suffice the US consular officers and the Bachelors Degree condition.
    Cj

  23. Keith  •  Feb 15, 2011 @8:18 pm

    Hi CJ, love this website! It’s a great resource! Currently, I am working in US with E3 visa. My company applied for H1B last year with intention of applying for green card. But, I haven’t activated my H1B yet. Now, I am not interested in switching it to H1B visa to get green card. My E3 visa is expiring in Sept 2011. Therefore, can I apply for renewing my E3 visa without activating my H1B visa? Or Should I have to activate my H1B visa in Sept 2011, when E3 expires? Many thanks for your assistance.

    This is very helpful
    Keith

  24. Liz  •  Aug 21, 2011 @9:11 pm

    Hi, CJ

    As everybody else has said, thanks for taking the time helping all of us with this visa. Really appreciated.

    I am traveling to NYC in a month’s time and I will try to find a job there. My main question is I cannot find any info re what kind of proof of experience you need if you do not have a bachelors degree. I do not have one, but I have worked in my field as a TV Producer for big companies for almost 15 years. So I do comply with the experience required, but nobody will tell me what proof they need – wage slips, references? This is very important but there is almost no info about it and the US Embassy in Spain (where I live) can offer no assistance either.

    Thanks again!

    Liz

  25. Ravi  •  Sep 27, 2011 @11:00 pm

    Hi
    I am in USA on E3D visa with EAD card. My current employer ready Spencer E3. I would like to know is there premium processing available for change of status from E3D to E3?

  26. Tina  •  Dec 18, 2011 @9:32 am

    Hi CJ, I would like to thank you very much for all of the information that you have provided on the website. Amazing and extremely helpful.
    I am in the process of moving over to the states. A quick question, in your opinion, do you think that there is more of a chance to secure employment when in the US and then applying for the E3 visa, or do you think it is easier/better to secure employment while still in
    Australia?
    Also, I have been requested to explain the E3 visa in my cover letter to employers, what are the maim points that I should include?

    Thank you once again.

    Tina

  27. Lil  •  Jan 4, 2012 @8:11 am

    Hi CJ,

    This is by far the most informative website I have come across about the E3 visa, extremely helpful, so thank you!

    I have two questions for you…

    First question: I am a TV producer planning on moving to LA this year, but I don’t hold a degree. However, I have been working in the industry solidly for the past 12 years, and at a senior/executive level for the past 4 years.

    Do you know what kind of documentation, other than my resume, that I would need to provide as proof of my experience/credentials? Do they require letters of reference etc? Also, I have recently been nominated for a well respected tv industry award – does this kind of thing help?

    Second question: I am planning on going to LA in the hope of securing a job offer. If that happens, I then plan to return to Sydney to apply for the visa. I will need to explain this situation to prospective employers and naturally they will want to know how long the whole process will take until the visa is issued and I can return to LA to begin work. I imagine no-one will offer me a job unless they have the answer to this. Can you help?

    Many thanks for your time,
    Lil

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